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Debian 8.5 & OpenBSD 6.0 (obsd) comparative ? nooooo......

During the past week I was in a chat about the new version of "OBSD 6.0" and I had talk about "Debian 8.5", comparatives are next step. I don't want to say "who is better, or fast, or nice, or....."
I prepared this post with the instalation process in both O.S. and post instalation process, smart people have to identify which is better. (my personal opinion is Debian off course...)
I Choose VirtualBox, last version and my ASUS TP300La notebook as the hardware. &4 bits in both VM Servers and ISOs. Trying to do the standard process in both. The complete process is this:
  1. Environments with both servers, same virtual configuration 1 cpu, 1 gb ram, disco near 12 gb, network bridged, sound/usb connected. (both standard options)
  2. Installation. The option to choose Graphic and Text install is a "+1", with the graphic install you could check your video card/monitor too.
Debian could choose Graphic or Text install, (Text selected) OBsd 6.0, just text install
  1. Debian Select Keyboard and Location, timezone. OBSD Select Keyboard
  2. Install Part 2. OBsd hostname, ethernet card, dhcp, ipv6. Select services to startup, ssh, X server, Timezone. Debian, name, password, user. (not network config yet).
  3. Disk partition. Simple way Whole disk / Entire Disk.
Debian all in one partition, EXT4 98%, Swap 2%
OBSD. 10 partitions (may be too much) or net, depending of the usage of the server. for Real service bringing service to lots of users, this is great. For 1 user not too much.
  1. Packages / APP.
OBSD, select HTTP to install them. Debian, installing "base packages", kernel, some basic tools, and config them into disk, and later ask for Mirrors (repositories)
  1. Select all packages from Standard Install, define PROXY and go. OBSD, select all packages (default), near 1 minute to install all of them (7) using cd0 (local cd)
Debian, select Mirror, define proxy. Less than 1 min. to download packages info. Select GUI, services and "blends", I choose XFCE (a bit largeheavy than others), ssh. (d7c) More than 5 minutes to download and install 1047 packages (basic, + xfce + services), timing related to speed of access to internet. Install GRUB (1 second)
  1. OBSD reboot and start it.
  2. Running OBSD less than 1 minute and running in GUI. Type usepass and graph terminal (o9b). 2nd reboot, same time... I guess the first boot was really fast and no special differences between 1th and 2nd boot.
Debian, reboot, startup. With XFCE4, login. XFCE4 running (d9b)
  1. Updating
OBSD, useradd -b /home/dac -m dac (create a new user) not sure what's the error, but the pkg_check failed. (o10) pkg_add mc (failed too).
export PKG_PATH=http://ftp2.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/$(uname -r)/packages/$(uname -p)/ pkg_add mc (error, I can't install it)
The PKG_ADD is similar to "APT/APT_GET" in debian the Ports folder is similar to "Rolling release" where an APP is downloaded (source), and compiled in each server.
Installing "screen" utility

pkg_add screen

quirks-2.241 signed on 2016-07-26T16:56:10Z Ambiguous: choose package for screen a 0: 1: screen-4.0.3p6 2: screen-4.0.3p6-shm Your choice: 1 screen-4.0.3p6: ok

pkg_add mc

quirks-2.241 signed on 2016-07-26T16:56:10Z Error from http://ftp2.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/6.0/packages/amd64/mc-4.8.16p0.tgz ftp: ftp2.eu.openbsd.org: no address associated with name Can't find CONTENTS from http://ftp2.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/6.0/packages/amd64/mc-4.8.16p0.tgz --- mc-4.8.16p0 ------------------- Can't install mc-4.8.16p0: bad package
I FOUND THE ERROR I had to add this lines in /root/.profile file to define REPO online and THE PROXY.
export PKG_PATH=http://ftp2.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/$(uname -r)/packages/$(uname -p)/
export http_proxy="http://192.168.1.2:8080" export https_proxy=$http_proxy export HTTP_PROXY=$http_proxy export HTTPS_PROXY=$http_proxy
export ftp_proxy=$http_proxy export FTP_PROXY=$http_proxy
After this, pkg_add install mc
quirks-2.241 signed on 2016-07-26T16:56:10Z Can't find install mc-4.8.16p0:libffi-3.2.1p2: ok mc-4.8.16p0:python-2.7.12: ok mc-4.8.16p0:glib2-2.48.1: ok mc-4.8.16p0:png-1.6.23: ok mc-4.8.16p0:oniguruma-5.9.6: ok mc-4.8.16p0:libslang-2.2.4p2: ok mc-4.8.16p0:libssh2-1.7.0: ok mc-4.8.16p0:gdiff-3.3p0: ok mc-4.8.16p0:unzip-6.0p9: ok mc-4.8.16p0: ok Look in /uslocal/share/doc/pkg-readmes for extra documentation. --- +python-2.7.12 ------------------- If you want to use this package as your default system python, as root create symbolic links like so (overwriting any previous default): ln -sf /uslocal/bin/python2.7 /uslocal/bin/python ln -sf /uslocal/bin/python2.7-2to3 /uslocal/bin/2to3 ln -sf /uslocal/bin/python2.7-config /uslocal/bin/python-config ln -sf /uslocal/bin/pydoc2.7 /uslocal/bin/pydoc
I installed "PORTS" too. wget http://ftp2.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/6.0/ports.tar.gz Untar it into /usports (141 mb used)

pkg_add install xfce

quirks-2.241 signed on 2016-07-26T16:56:10Z Can't find install Error from http://ftp2.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/6.0/packages/amd64/xfce-4.12p3.tgz ftp: ftp2.eu.openbsd.org: no address associated with name Can't find CONTENTS from http://ftp2.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/6.0/packages/amd64/xfce-4.12p3.tgz --- xfce-4.12p3 ------------------- Can't install xfce-4.12p3: bad package
Debian, apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade (the standard way to update server) (d10). apt install screen
apt-get install screen Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Suggested packages: byobu | screenie | iselect The following NEW packages will be installed: screen 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 586 kB of archives. After this operation, 1004 kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 screen amd64 4.4.0-4 [586 kB] Fetched 586 kB in 9s (64.3 kB/s) Selecting previously unselected package screen. (Reading database ... 84818 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../screen_4.4.0-4_amd64.deb ... Unpacking screen (4.4.0-4) ... Processing triggers for systemd (231-4) ... Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.5-1) ... Setting up screen (4.4.0-4) ... Processing triggers for systemd (231-4) ...
apt-get install mc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: mc-data Suggested packages: arj catdvi | texlive-binaries dbview djvulibre-bin genisoimage gv imagemagick links | w3m | lynx odt2txt poppler-utils python-boto python-tz zip The following NEW packages will be installed: mc mc-data 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 1776 kB of archives. After this operation, 7112 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 mc-data all 3:4.8.17-1 [1265 kB] Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 mc amd64 3:4.8.17-1 [511 kB] Fetched 1776 kB in 6s (259 kB/s) Selecting previously unselected package mc-data. (Reading database ... 84878 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../0-mc-data_3%3a4.8.17-1_all.deb ... Unpacking mc-data (3:4.8.17-1) ... Selecting previously unselected package mc. Preparing to unpack .../1-mc_3%3a4.8.17-1_amd64.deb ... Unpacking mc (3:4.8.17-1) ... Processing triggers for mime-support (3.60) ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.23-1) ... Setting up mc-data (3:4.8.17-1) ... Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.5-1) ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.15-1) ... Setting up mc (3:4.8.17-1) ... update-alternatives: using /usbin/mcview to provide /usbin/view (view) in auto mode
In Debian to compare instalation process to OBSD, I think in download linux-sources and "compile" tools and install from Source. (gcc, make, others)
apt-get install linux-sources
  1. Resources Used. Make sense to invest hours to use 50 mb less in something ? Our notebooks/servers have 4/8/64gb ram..... and Teras in disks.
Debian. (d11) Running with basic/network/standards tools Firefox, Libreoffice, Gimp, Ristretto & VLC. Disk space used 3gb Memory near 190 mb used (swap free), less than 0.3% CPU usage. Service running (ssh 22)
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on udev 513M 0 513M 0% /dev tmpfs 105M 3.5M 102M 4% /run /dev/sda1 12G 3.0G 8.0G 28% / tmpfs 523M 70k 523M 1% /dev/shm tmpfs 5.3M 4.1k 5.3M 1% /run/lock tmpfs 523M 0 523M 0% /sys/fs/cgroup tmpfs 105M 4.1k 105M 1% /run/use115 tmpfs 105M 8.2k 105M 1% /run/use1000
Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN tcp 0 0 192.168.10.168:22 192.168.10.156:34968 ESTABLISHED tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5353 0.0.0.0:* udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:57911 0.0.0.0:* udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:68 0.0.0.0:* udp6 0 0 :::5353 :::* udp6 0 0 :::60036 :::* raw6 0 0 :::58 :::* 7
OpenBsd 6, running, only basic tools installed and no GUI tools (o11) 600 mb on disk, 54 mb used (with FVWM GUI)
Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 530M 42.1M 461M 8% / /dev/wd0k 4.5G 20.0K 4.3G 0% /home /dev/wd0d 841M 20.0K 799M 0% /tmp /dev/wd0f 1.3G 372M 900M 29% /usr /dev/wd0g 776M 212M 525M 29% /usX11R6 /dev/wd0h 2.9G 5.2M 2.7G 0% /uslocal /dev/wd0j 1.6G 2.0K 1.5G 0% /usobj /dev/wd0i 1.2G 2.0K 1.1G 0% /ussrc /dev/wd0e 1.2G 5.3M 1.2G 0% /var
Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) ip 0 0 . . 17 Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) tcp 0 0 192.168.10.167.22 192.168.10.156.58616 ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1.25 . LISTEN tcp 0 0 .22 *. LISTEN Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) udp 0 0 192.168.10.167.25592 81.19.96.148.123 udp 0 0 192.168.10.167.14580 194.140.131.21.123 udp 0 0 192.168.10.167.34583 193.145.15.15.123 udp 0 0 .514 *. Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) tcp6 0 0 .22 *. LISTEN tcp6 0 0 fe80::1%lo0.25 . LISTEN tcp6 0 0 ::1.25 . LISTEN Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) udp6 0 0 .514 *.
  1. Service running on DEBIAN. PID TTY TIME CMD 1 ? 00:00:00 systemd 2 ? 00:00:00 kthreadd 3 ? 00:00:00 ksoftirqd/0 5 ? 00:00:00 kworke0:0H 6 ? 00:00:00 kworkeu2:0 7 ? 00:00:00 rcu_sched 8 ? 00:00:00 rcu_bh 9 ? 00:00:00 migration/0 10 ? 00:00:00 watchdog/0 11 ? 00:00:00 cpuhp/0 12 ? 00:00:00 kdevtmpfs 13 ? 00:00:00 netns 14 ? 00:00:00 khungtaskd 15 ? 00:00:00 oom_reaper 16 ? 00:00:00 writeback 17 ? 00:00:00 kcompactd0 18 ? 00:00:00 ksmd 20 ? 00:00:00 khugepaged 21 ? 00:00:00 crypto 22 ? 00:00:00 kintegrityd 23 ? 00:00:00 bioset 24 ? 00:00:00 kblockd 25 ? 00:00:00 devfreq_wq 26 ? 00:00:00 watchdogd 27 ? 00:00:00 kswapd0 28 ? 00:00:00 vmstat 41 ? 00:00:00 kthrotld 42 ? 00:00:00 ipv6_addrconf 48 ? 00:00:00 deferwq 99 ? 00:00:00 ata_sff 144 ? 00:00:00 kpsmoused 166 ? 00:00:00 kworke0:2 569 ? 00:00:00 scsi_eh_0 573 ? 00:00:00 scsi_tmf_0 577 ? 00:00:00 scsi_eh_1 578 ? 00:00:00 kworkeu2:3 579 ? 00:00:00 scsi_tmf_1 581 ? 00:00:00 scsi_eh_2 583 ? 00:00:00 scsi_tmf_2 642 ? 00:00:00 bioset 643 ? 00:00:00 bioset 674 ? 00:00:00 kworke0:3 682 ? 00:00:00 kworke0:1H 739 ? 00:00:00 jbd2/sda1-8 740 ? 00:00:00 ext4-rsv-conver 769 ? 00:00:00 systemd-journal 772 ? 00:00:00 kauditd 779 ? 00:00:00 systemd-udevd 1398 ? 00:00:00 systemd-timesyn 1403 ? 00:00:00 dbus-daemon 1422 ? 00:00:00 NetworkManager 1423 ? 00:00:00 rsyslogd 1425 ? 00:00:00 avahi-daemon 1427 ? 00:00:00 systemd-logind 1428 ? 00:00:00 ModemManager 1429 ? 00:00:00 cron 1430 ? 00:00:00 anacron 1438 ? 00:00:00 avahi-daemon 1478 ? 00:00:00 polkitd 1503 ? 00:00:00 sshd 1507 tty1 00:00:00 agetty 1514 ? 00:00:00 lightdm 1523 tty7 00:00:06 Xorg 1526 ? 00:00:00 dhclient 1575 ? 00:00:00 systemd 1576 ? 00:00:00 (sd-pam) 1633 ? 00:00:00 dbus-launch 1634 ? 00:00:00 dbus-daemon 1678 ? 00:00:00 lightdm 1683 ? 00:00:00 systemd 1684 ? 00:00:00 (sd-pam) 1690 ? 00:00:00 sh 1715 ? 00:00:00 dbus-launch 1716 ? 00:00:00 dbus-daemon 1732 ? 00:00:00 ssh-agent 1743 ? 00:00:00 xfce4-session 1745 ? 00:00:00 at-spi-bus-laun 1750 ? 00:00:00 dbus-daemon 1754 ? 00:00:00 at-spi2-registr 1756 ? 00:00:00 xfconfd 1762 ? 00:00:00 xfwm4 1766 ? 00:00:00 xfce4-panel 1768 ? 00:00:00 Thunar 1770 ? 00:00:00 xfdesktop 1771 ? 00:00:00 nm-applet 1777 ? 00:00:00 xfsettingsd 1778 ? 00:00:00 applet.py 1780 ? 00:00:00 gvfsd 1790 ? 00:00:00 light-locker 1794 ? 00:00:00 pulseaudio 1795 ? 00:00:00 rtkit-daemon 1801 ? 00:00:00 dconf-service 1805 ? 00:00:00 xfce4-power-man 1808 ? 00:00:00 polkit-gnome-au 1817 ? 00:00:00 xfce4-notifyd 1818 ? 00:00:00 upowerd 1845 ? 00:00:00 panel-6-systray 1846 ? 00:00:00 panel-2-actions 1850 ? 00:00:00 gvfs-udisks2-vo 1853 ? 00:00:00 udisksd 1864 ? 00:00:00 gvfsd-trash 1871 ? 00:00:00 gvfsd-metadata 1977 ? 00:00:00 packagekitd 2083 ? 00:00:00 xfce4-terminal 2087 ? 00:00:00 gnome-pty-helpe 2088 pts/0 00:00:00 bash 2093 pts/0 00:00:00 su 2094 pts/0 00:00:00 bash 2097 ? 00:00:00 kworke0:0 2179 ? 00:00:00 sshd 2181 ? 00:00:00 sshd 2182 pts/1 00:00:00 bash 2191 pts/1 00:00:00 su 2192 pts/1 00:00:00 bash 2194 pts/1 00:00:00 ps
OBSD
PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 1 ?? Is 0:01.00 /sbin/init 84152 ?? Is 0:00.00 dhclient: em0 [priv] (dhclient) 74648 ?? Isp 0:00.00 dhclient: em0 (dhclient) 42357 ?? Isp 0:00.00 syslogd: [priv] (syslogd) 2432 ?? Sp 0:00.01 /ussbin/syslogd 36845 ?? Is 0:00.00 pflogd: [priv] (pflogd) 83868 ?? Sp 0:00.01 pflogd: [running] -s 160 -i pflog0 -f /valog/pflog 25347 ?? Ip 0:00.01 ntpd: dns engine (ntpd) 549 ?? S
  1. Remote access SSH, not too different.
Debian The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in /usshare/doc/*/copyright.
Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Last login: Fri Sep 2 11:39:49 2016 from 192.168.10.156 [email protected]:~$
OBSD Last login: Fri Sep 2 11:43:13 2016 OpenBSD 6.0 (GENERIC) #2148: Tue Jul 26 12:55:20 MDT 2016
Welcome to OpenBSD: The pro-actively secure Unix-like operating system.
Please use the sendbug(1) utility to report bugs in the system. Before reporting a bug, please try to reproduce it with the latest version of the code. With bug reports, please try to ensure that enough information to reproduce the problem is enclosed, and if a known fix for it exists, include that as well.
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